Please note that this is not the actual broadcast, which is in Farsi. The interviewer is doing a running translation from Farsi, which is why the word choice and delivery are not “broadcast quality.” It’s also the reason I speak unusually slowly, in hopes of making the translator’s job easier.
When we see these pictures from Palestine, this bloodshed, this genocide, it seems that it is a very catastrophic situation and that unfortunately international organizations are keeping silent about this matter.
The international reaction to this genocide is bifurcated. It's split between the people—the majority of people worldwide deplore this genocide—and the leadership class in the West, and in the part of the world dominated by or intimidated by the United States leadership, The leaders have been largely complicit with only pro forma protests.
And the scale of this catastrophe is beyond what has been reported. The Lancet just estimated there have likely been 186,000 or more Palestinian deaths, which credits Ralph Nader's estimate in March of something approaching 200,000 deaths.
This is just a completely unimaginable genocide. And the American empire has so far had the power to allow it to continue.
Every day we can see different attacks on different hospitals in Gaza Strip. Why can we not see any international reactions?
Well, in the United States and to some extent in Europe, the people are not seeing this. They're certainly not seeing it on mainstream news channels, except in very, very small doses. The younger people are seeing it on TikTok and social media. And that's why young people in the West are motivated to protest against this genocide. But the mainstream media in the West is dominated by Zionists. It's owned by Zionist billionaires. And it has grossly downplayed this genocide, to the point that the owners of Western mainstream media are arguably guilty of complicity in genocide. They ought to be tried, condemned, and executed.
I want to talk about Mr. Senator Vance as Vice President for Donald Trump. And when we look at the stance and political positions of Mr. Vance, it seems that this man is a supporter of Israel.
Senator Vance is a strong supporter of this genocide, and he could not have been chosen for this role if he were not. Donald Trump has reportedly been offered $100 million by Miriam Adelson, as well as presumably large sums from other Zionist billionaires, in exchange for his green-lighting the continuation of this genocide, and perhaps even the acceleration of it beyond what we're seeing now. So it is not surprising that Trump's vice presidential choice would be another ultra-genocidal Republican.
Kevin, we are witnessing Israel continuously doing satanic actions against Palestinian girls, Palestinian boys, with large numbers of Palestinians killed by the Israeli regime. At the same time, when we look at NATO's (human rights) stance in the era of Moammar Qaddafi in Libya, NATO has a strict stance against Moammar Qaddafi. But about Benjamin Netanyahu, they keep silent.
Yes, well, Qaddafi was an independent leader who was actually opposed to Zionism. And the Zionists, with their power in the West, can decide when one leader needs to be publicly executed and another leader is allowed to get away with genocide. Obviously, NATO has a grotesque double standard in terms of what it claims are criminals in leadership positions.
NATO is just a euphemism for the American occupation of Europe. So the powers in control of the American empire will lie and propagandize and try to justify their actions, which are based on raw Machiavellian power calculations. They don't care about human rights and they don't care about the worst genocidal crimes if those crimes are being committed by their allies.
After military actions by IRGC against Israeli regime three or four months ago, at the same time, we’ve seen lots of US students protest in different universities of America. What should Islamic countries do against the Israeli regime?
I think it's very hard for the leadership of the occupied Islamic countries, that is, Islamic countries under the influence of the American empire, such as the country I live in, Morocco. It's very hard for the leadership of these countries to provide open support for the Palestinians. However, one hopes that the leaders of these countries are finding ways to provide covert support for the Palestinians. We know that there is a lot of covert support for Palestine and the resistance coming from all over the Arab world. And one certainly hopes that the leadership in Arab countries are looking the other way and encouraging, not just allowing, but encouraging this kind of help. And we certainly hope that sooner rather than later, the Palestinian resistance will obtain the kinds of weapons that it needs to once and for all put an end to the genocidal Zionist occupation of Palestine.
Mr. Kevin, recently I was in North Africa, in Algeria. It seems that majority of African people, those who live in Africa continent, are supporter of Palestine. But when we want to talk about governments, it seems that they have some considerations. How far is useful for government of African countries to be supporters of Israel? It is very strange.
Yes, I agree that it's strange. I understand why the leadership of these countries tries to avoid publicly being marked as strong supporters of Palestine, because they would be replaced. They would be assassinated or overthrown. However, some of them seem to go further in developing relationships with the genocidal Zionist entity than one thinks would be strictly necessary. And while I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I'm appalled by this huge difference between the unanimous support for Palestine and overwhelming support for the Palestinian resistance among the people of these countries, and the very very different and and indeed shameful positions of the leadership in those same countries.
Can Palestine and Gaza be a turning point about a changing international system? After World War II, when we want to talk about the United Nations, it seems that the United Nations is dismantled. The United Nations says nothing about what is going on in Gaza. Can we say the United Nations has been dismantled?
The United Nations has passed a long list of resolutions about Palestine, and they've been ignored. There's the right of return. There are resolutions insisting that Israel withdraw from the territory that it occupied in 1967. And all of these resolutions have been completely ignored by the Zionists. And because the United Nations is structured so that the winners of World War II, led by the United States and its European vassals, have veto power, the United Nations cannot enforce anything. So there is no real international law and international law enforcement.
But the current failure with this accelerated genocide, this second phase of the Nakba of 1948, is so extreme that this could lead to a shakeup in the United Nations and international law. And as the relationship between the great powers shifts and a new power structure emerges, then we may see the possibility for reforming the United Nations. And if that happens, inshallah, I think that the Palestine issue will probably be the single most important issue behind it.
And the last question, Mr. Kevin Barrett. Mr. Barrett, you are American. I have one of my friends living in the United States. And when I talked with him about the Holocaust, he said that officials of universities in the United States took students to the regions that the Holocaust has happened. And they have propaganda in support of the Israeli regime. When we want to talk about censorship, why do they censor some brutal acts of Israel in Gaza?
The Holocaust narrative is the centerpiece of Zionist propaganda. Indeed, the Zionist entity would not have been able to claim its existence in 1948 if it hadn't been for this narrative.
That Holocaust narrative has been made sacred in the West. It's illegal to question it. Many of the West's greatest historians, including arguably its all-time greatest historian of World War II, David Irving, have gone to jail for questioning this narrative and seeking the true facts.
So it's a terribly shameful situation in which a very likely exaggerated, mythical version of the Nazi mistreatment of Jews in Europe has been used to justify a vastly more horrific and inexcusable genocide of the people of Palestine.
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