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Doug Glaass's avatar

Hope you are sending Ron evidence for there actually being a LOT of basis for Sandy Hook bring a false flag.

Understand you had to let that slide in air, but he's obviously not looked very deeply into that. It's funny how one after another over the years Ron keeps "discovering" something he previously dismissed as something he shouldn't.

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Robin D Hordon's avatar

Excellent interview Kevin...and a bit frustrating to me because the now "hollowed out 9/11 Truth Community" could have used such a "cup of wise coffee" around 2007 so that we could still talk with the people as "adults"...as you clearly outlined! However, Ron is just a bit too quick to mildly criticize the Truthers because I do feel that the scientific method of postulating hypotheses and then proving them with supportive evidence, or abandoning them due to the lack of evidence, simply takes time...as in JFK, RFK, MLK etc. But the biggest point that this show has exposed more brightly than any other show is something that I have been stating to Truthers since 2006 when I "came out" with my aviation based observations. Because this was not my first rodeo...had seen "intel-type infiltration" as far back as the Vietnam War period...and by 2PM on 9/11 itself, I KNEW that it had to be an inside job...and that this was NOT a simple attack scenario...I also KNEW that all citizens' "analyses and research groups" would not only be infiltrated...BUT...that the deep state's preplanning included information and news management BEFORE...DURING...and AFTER the event itself. I had concluded that the dark side had learned a LOT from the assassinations, Watergate, Iran-Contra. So, they were fully prepared ahead of time to manage everything. Like I stated to the Denver Study Group, who tried to figure out the AA77/Pentagon thing, "If they managed any of it, they managed ALL of it"! And such "managing all of it" can best be exposed by the fact that Pilots for 9/11 Truth came about just a few months after 9/11 and it ended up being a "disinfo organization" in that they told blatant lies about both "impossible speeds" and "ground affect". These are subjects that pilots DO know everything about but continue to disinform the public about. And P4T's refusal to tell these truths has kept alive the meme that the WTC airliners were swapped out when in fact they were the original AA11 and UA175 flights which impacted the WTCs. This then led to the rhubarb that UA93 did not actually crash in Shanksville. And then, along with Dr. Morgan Reynold's disinfo about airliners being "flying beer cans" [and thus being unable to penetrate the WTCs], and also the "swapped-out" theories set the stage for the biggest, and by FAR the most important fracture within the 9/11 truth Community...aka..no plane hit the Pentagon. But a large plane DID impact the Pentagon...still NO positive identifiers that it was AA77 tho. The clue with P4T is that the members are nearly 100% X-military. Who woulda guessed they would split the 9/11 truth Community to protect the Pentagon-Intel-military? That is why I quit P4T once Rob Balsamo [now deceased] decided to undermine my credibility and knowledge...4 months! Thought I could manage around this but nope, couldn't! Still...Ron's POVs are extremely pertinent for sure. So, OF COURSE almost all of the shooting and bombing events were set up to BOTH scare citizens...and to TRAP the over-reactionary "Truthers"...DUH? Fetzer has ALWAYS been an easy trick to flip into the service of the dark side because of his problematic personality issues. Ron politely referred to such people [suffering from narcissism and other obvious personality disorders] as extremists or over-reactionaries etc. There is NO DOUBT that Intel knew of Fetzer's investigations and communications capabilities because of his "competent and sane work" on JFK and Wellstone's deaths. AKA...they knew they had to plan on him showing up for 9/11 Truth...and they had a plan to manage him. IMO...if there is anyone in the 9/11 Truth Community that may have been whacked by MKUltra, its probably Fetzer! Fetzer has served to "blow up" everything that he ever touched within 9/11 Truth Community's efforts...obviously. And OF COURSE...the deep state had plans to take down Alex Jones too...and for the EXACT reasons that you clearly exposed...InfoWars was working against them. And I believe that the Obama-Sunstein connection existed from earlier Harvard University days. So I find it no coincidence that Sandy Hook happened on Obama's watch...a presidency that was deep state to start...and one where such intel ops would easily be allowed to breath...if not given oxygen along the way. I am not saying that the dark side planned Sandy Hook itself [probably knew well of the shooter and family...as seemingly always], but there is ZERO DOUBT...that they knew how to set, re-set and re-re-set the traps for Fetzer and Jones. The college teacher in Florida that got whacked was not that important because he had little recognition/communication nationwide...low fruit. And a few points to wrap it all together. The deep state KNEW all about Trump's relationship with Putin over the years...it was Comey's FBI that switched 6-8% of votes away from Clinton to Trump as a result of the FBI letter 11? days ahead of the election thus getting him into office. They certainly had Trump under 24/7/365 "skin-close" observation regarding anything and everything that he might do or say when travelling to chat with foreign leaders. And IMO, all the records that Trump supposedly took with him to FL probably had information that Intel WANTED to get to Putin or other world leaders etc. As though Putin wouldn't see through that one? Still the deep state never sleeps! The deep state put Trump in place...and the deep state is taking him out. Trump served the deep state very well. Deep state: read: the uber wealthy [who own the stock of the uber corporations]...the same uber wealthy who needed a conservative judicial system to protect their corporate wealth and control...the same uber wealthy who ALWAYS want tax breaks for ANY reason. So, a repeat...I keep my distance from most Truthers because too many are working for the wrong side...knowingly or unknowingly. Now, my mind is NOT nearly as competent as Ron's or yours, but I do work my way through things like he does...a LOT more pragmatically, logically, factually[?], with a sense of history...and with a sense of both the deep state and the citizen crazies that glom onto every citizen's movement that comes about. And I must admit that I work with a "pilot's and ATC's cool blood" in my veins. I do get shaken up a bit AFTER the tight situations...which you know as I landed on your head a few times over the years. Peace robin PS: I found the voice speed % button on this contraption...and had it at 125% UGH...r

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Doug Glaass's avatar

"when in fact they were the original AA11 and UA175 flights"

How did you deduce this with no evidence?

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Robin D Hordon's avatar

As an air traffic controller who...used to work in the northeast sector...who trained ATCs when the national radar systems went from broadband to narrowband [digitized]...who has studied air traffic incidents and broken down both audio and radar tapes...who is serving as a "surrogate whistleblower" for ATCs at ZBW [Boston ARTCC...who are telling the real story that it wasn't the FAA's fault...it was the US military's fault to fail to intercept]...who has studied both the FAA radar records and the RADES radar records for AA11 and UA175...who has performed in the military's "War Games" dozens of times in my career...who has conducted in-air interceptions/flight following of aircraft of concern...who has successfully scrambled a military aviation asset to save a lost small aircraft "in cloud" which led to a safe "life saving" landing...who has handled both a hijacked airliner and also one allegedly having a "pressure sensitive bomb" on board...and who has studied in depth the "June Change" to the Joint Chiefs of Staff Order dated June 1, 2001 which cleverly "stood down" the historical IMMEDIATE scramble protocols used for "in-flight-emergencies"...and who understands the difference between that scramble protocol and the "hijacking scramble protocols" [a difference which only a FEW in the 911 Truth Community understand...and NOBODY in the general public has a clue about]...AND, as a commercial pilot with 1600 hours in the air having SEL, SES, MEL, Glider, Ground Instructor and Instrument Instructor ratings...and who has conducted piloting activities at all the major airports in the northeast-including Boston Logan...I have found ZERO EVIDENCE that even comes close to establishing that those two flights were NOT the two flights that were scheduled to fly that day....from pushback to impact. Indeed, all of the evidence that I have found and analyzed has established that the two airliners WERE indeed, themselves. The actual airframe numbers seem to be in question as well as are the passenger lists...both are explainable. NOW...AA77 is a completely different story because that aircraft was "lost to positive radar contact" and nobody ever re-identified the TARGET which eventually impacted the Pentagon along the "physical damage flight path" established by Wayne Coste'. FACT The nations air traffic system in 2001...and many years before DOES NOT LOOSE RADAR CONTACT WITH AIRLINERS flying over the United States. And the physical evidence that the FBI has allowed out for study at the Pentagon actually shows that the airvehicle which impacted the pentagon WAS NOT AA77...flown by Chic Burlingame. And the year before, Burlingame took part in a "Blue Team versus Red Team" analysis of the Pentagon's air defense system. So, my "working hypothesis" is that the airvehicle that impacted the Pentagon "may have been swapped in" with a matching drone. FACT The captain of the aircraft that is "swapped OUT" has be IN ON THE PLAN. Consequently, much more study needs to be done regarding the identity of the airvehicle that impacted the Pentagon. So, your question, and bold assumption that there is no evidence sustaining my conclusion that these two flights were these two flights, is easily refuted and is what happens when a qualified person studies facts and data when NOT living in a "dis-informational rabbit hole"! Ron Unz presented a far more polite identification of the problematic people/conspiracy theorists who seem to have no choice but "to live in such rabbit holes" for their lives, than I have presented in exposing you as being such a person. Ron Unz and I [and many, many others in the 9/11 Truth Community], are in agreement that the "cancer is within" the 9/11 Truth Community itself...and also that the "deep state" has had an "experienced hand" in both penetrating such organizations, and then, by "preying on"...or more accurately "depending upon", people like you to keep the divisions within the 9/11 truth Movement alive and well.

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Doug Glaass's avatar

"than I have presented in exposing you as being such a person"

That's quite the leap, by the way, to presume to have exposed me as such a person.

You still haven't provided any evidence they were the same airframes except to say there isn't any evidence they weren't.

Though there certainly is.

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Robin D Hordon's avatar

I expressed that there needs to be much more research done into both the specific airframes/aircraft ID numbers and the passenger lists.

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Doug Glaass's avatar

"I have found ZERO EVIDENCE that even comes close to establishing that those two flights were NOT the two flights that were scheduled to fly that day....from pushback to impact."

Seeing this means I don't think that you have see all of the evidence nor read Hijacking America's Mind by Elias Davidsson..

There is evidence of double flights for 11, 175 and 93 and UA175 flew past crash time having received an ACARS message through MDT (Harrisburg) 350 miles from NYC 20 minutes after it was supposed to have crashed.

That is of course a greatly summarized account. Chapters 3 and 6 go into great detail.

https://books.google.com/books?id=DR58YvUfqzkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Elias+Davidsson%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnupmDpMn5AhV8omoFHdsiAiwQ6AF6BAgJEAE#v=onepage&q&f=false

Edit: I just saw who exactly I was replying to and I certainly defer to your expertise...I remember listening to you a Kevin's show last year and enjoyed it very much. Actually had a question I wanted to ask you way back when but never got around to it...I'll try to find it.

I would also be interested in your take on Davidsson's claim that we can deduce where the plane is flying based on which ground station transmits the ACARS message.

And if not, what is the explanation for ground stations so far west (Champaign for UA93) would have sent messages to planes that were not in the vincinity.

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Robin D Hordon's avatar

I am familiar with Davidsson and his work's. ACARS is a "post event" modifiable record...and it was also used to infiltrate and misguide the analyses done by Pilots for 9/11 Truth. UA 93 crashed in Shanksville, PA. And IMO, UA93 was shot down by the interceptors which were flying over the Potomac before they were instructed to head out to intercept UA93. There is recorded evidence of such.

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Michael Atkinson's avatar

Dr. Barrett I just commented with this below info on a Rumble video from someone who was really concerned and angered that more Americans will not stand up to this "Monkeypox" bs, and wanted to share it because it's related to some of the content in this podcast. The Rumble video poster is a 60-ish year old man who is one of my social media contacts who has generally seemed like a real truth advocate, and not some kind of troll.

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Just think about the many thousands of Americans like me who've had to experience for over 20 years (so far) how many people in America (including all congress members) will not stand up to:

1. Lots of people being blown up in buildings with some kind of explosives on live TV on 9/11/01 in a "false flag" psyop scam.

2. The weaponized anthrax scam starting seven days after 9/11/01 where many of us in the military were harmed by unproven anthrax vaccines, and where weaponized anthrax killed 5 people and was sent to the two of our Senators who were slowing down passage of the so-called "Patriot Act".

3. Being also told basically "Look at this crashed plane" on live TV where there was clearly no crashed plane in Shankesville in any of the footage being shown to you right in your face.

4. Being told that a Muslim terrorist that hated our freedoms, and who was not trained to fly large aircraft, flew a commercial airliner into the Pentagon, one of the most secure buildings in the world.

5. "Our" USS Liberty attempted "false flag" psyop scam on June 8th, in 1967 where LBJ (the guy who "replaced" JFK) and some of his corrupt ass friends tried to secretly murder everyone onboard a US Navy ship, sink the ship and blame it on Egypt to start a war.

6. "Our" "Federal" Reserve scam. Since 1913.

7. "Our" AIPAC scam. (The same organization that JFK and RFK tried to get to register as foreign agents, and before JFK tried to keep Israel from getting nuclear weapons).

8. "Our" Republican or Democrat scam.

9. "Our" US legacy mainstream media consolidation scam.

10. "Our" church and state scam.

11. "Our" open borders with no legal, sensible immigration scam.

12. The Covid psyop scam.. and on.

Best regards,

Michael

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Lourdes Christopher's avatar

Thank you Dr Barrett for standing up for the Boston Bombing Hoax “team.” Mr Unz clearly has not spent time looking thoughtfully into this topic. There was photo evidence right away that showed suspicious activity, especially with the victims as well as against the brothers. Also- the leg amputee surviving. Patent fantasy. At the time, there was an eight hour YouTube video laying it all out. After the 911, SandyHook, BBombing, as well as the Aurora Shooting videos blossomed YouTube changed….

By the way, apparently the Comet P shooter only shot a hard drive….

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Doug Glaass's avatar

Have you seen Dave McGowan lay it all out going through each of the photos on Caravan to Midnight?

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polistra's avatar

The pattern of Alex Jones is a lot like Joe McCarthy. I think both began as sincere, perhaps not very smart, exposers of truth. Both were pulled into a carefully scripted excess. With McCarthy we know who did the pulling. Roy Cohn used alcohol and blackmail. With Jones we don't know how it happened. He may have been instructed and extorted by a Cohn-like handler, or he may have been steered by well-designed positive and negative feedback. The latter is easier now with social media under Deepstate control.

It's also possible that he was a willing AP from the start, but he seems more like the McCarthy type.

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Warren Raftshol's avatar

Kevin, since you take exception to Fetzer's statement that NO ONE died at Sandy Hook, please go on record with the name of SOME ONE who died and your evidence in support.

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Lourdes Christopher's avatar

No I did not see that, although, I have so much respect for Dave McGowan's work. The most significant aspect of the BBombing was that martial law was instituted in Watertown, MA. I am not as familiar with the details as I once was but I believe there was a town-wide lockdown on the Friday and every house was searched looking for the brother- illegally I might add. There were videos of folks being dragged from their houses!

Additionally, "crisis actors" are absolutely real. Maybe they don't exist any more but at the time, folks were hired or volunteered to enact mass casualty events for training purposed in the military or other places like hospitals. I was a volunteer for one of these at a hospital. To enhance the training value, especially to train folks who have never been in an actual battle but will be in military zones, professional make up artists are hired who come in and apply make up and prosthetics to mimic horrific battle wounds like amputations or spurting blood vessels. Sound familiar?

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Stephen Reynolds's avatar

Facts that a plane DID hit the Pentagon ?

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Dan Drazenovich's avatar

Very good interview Kevin. Excellent analysis by Ron and yourself. I hope to be able to apply this in my own life .

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