I found this conversation very interesting. However, I don't quite by the single, controlling group theory of the author. This is because it doesn't take into account individual agency.
This is not to say that such a group or many such groups do not exist. However, to date, their only real accomplishment in history is to cause the average mortal a lot of misery with their political machinations.
The idea that an individual group has been working for centuries to develop a one world governmental body, to me, is a bit far fetched. Given that in earlier times they would have had less people to contend with and still had no success in developing such a governmental model there is little possibility that with close to nine billion people on the planet they will fare any better; especially with the mass communications that are now available to nearly everyone on the planet in one form or another.
Of course many empires have attempted to control the world but only Rome was able to control a large part of the "known" world at the time. Rome, The Ottoman Empire, and the Austrian Empire to date have been the only successful empires to bring varying levels of sustained peace to their environs.
And though Rome is portrayed as some form of ruthless conqueror, more recent research into the development of Christianity, for which there is new evidence to consider that it was an outgrowth of Flavianism, has also shown that the image that the modern world has of Rome was actually created in Hollywood. The reality was that Rome was a far more open society and more accepting of different peoples than today populations understand.
The Ottoman Empire brought a general peace for nearly a thousand years, most likely as a result that the Ottoman rulers did not recognize national boundaries within their empire.
The Austrian Empire kept relatively long periods of peace for around 900 years because they believed in the old Italian adage, "Make love, not war", and followed through with foreign policies that were heavily invested in marriage and diplomacy.
The Byzantine Empire, more or less followed the courses that the previous three empires took but because of their geographic position had to rely on not only diplomacy but eventually a highly trained and mobile army that evolved as a result of the difficulties of dealing with Attila and his Huns.
As to the ancient Jews, I also have to disagree with the author here. First, archeological research has shown that the area of Palestine was possibly originally inhabited and cultivated by the Phoenicians, which later gave rise to the Kingdom of Israel. However, this ancient kingdom was "Jewish" but instead Hebraic. And the ancient Hebrews do not appear to have really had any religious affiliations with the actual Jews that arose in the smaller kingdom of Judea, just to the south.
If famed war correspondent and journalist, Douglas Reed, and his last publication (after his death) is anywhere near accurate ("The Controversy of Zion"), then the ancient Hebrews believed the Judeans were bat-shit crazy and wanted nothing to do with them. So we in the rest of the world got them instead.
Judea, according to the research I have done on the subject, was never part of the Kingdom of Israel. It was at times however, "confederated" with the kingdom in times when such a confederation made sense.
Finally, the idea of some form of "evil" pervades our world, to me, is an abstraction of just a lot of shitty Human Beings. And the problem with looking at such as an abstraction leads people to believe in another abstraction to save them from such evil, namely god or many gods. In this respect, the ancient gods of Greece and Rome actually made more sense than the fairly tale versions we get today from Old and New Testaments. Those ancient gods were there not to save Humanity but to merely interact with it.
But if we look at the actual god the ancient Judeans chose to be their own, they had to be some really fucked up people to pick a psychopathic entity such as Yahweh...
Thank you Steve, lots of good points here. I agree with Mees that ruthless powerful people have used usury and propaganda to build empires, but I'm not sure it's a single united group with strong continuity over five centuries, as he suggests.
As I mention in the interview, there are all kinds of groups, but there is one agenda, with Covid/WHO and Agenda 2030 as recent examples.
There are methodologies (templates) being applied systemically and consequently, over centuries, for example the creation of nation states with central banks and fake democracies in the West, which started in Holland and then was generalized.
The hegemonic cycles scheme is also part of it, and soon we will find ourselves in the fifth cycle, under China and Russia, which they prepared for over a century. The last – financial – phase of the American cycle started in 1971, the year to which I dedicate a chapter: 1971: the year that (music) changed everything. That’s because even David Bowie and the Beatles played a role in it, see the song Imagine (… no countries, … no possessions, … no religion) that could have been written by Klaus Schwab (who started his organization in … 1971).
These evil people are very impressive, and the idea that reality is too complex for them to handle is not correct. Of course they have to switch from plan A to B or C every now and then, but they stick to their agenda.
I think John Lennon was sincere in his song imagine. He was rich enough that he could have been a nexus for dissent so 'they' killed him. The system worked for him so he probably had not looked into the deep state aspects of it. I know I generally grew up believing in the bad aspects of nationalism resulting in the numerous European conflicts with WW1 and 2 especially appalling. Organized religion certainly has its defects. However there is spiritual dimension to life which the West is sadly lacking. It wasn't till 2008 before I noticed the conspiracy that our financial system is. There is hope in the amazing creativity we humans sometimes exhibit. Nothing is fool proof because fools are so ingenious.
I read in a Lennon biography that "Imagine" was ironic. I see it as ambivalently ironic - at one level he believed it, at another he found it ridiculous.
This kind of predictive programming or subliminal influencing is very common in the Glafia project.
Mark Devlin and a few others have deeply researched the Beatles (see for example Magical Mystery Talks in 10 episodes, or his books). Their career soared because they were pushed, a trademark of Glafia involvement, I show many examples in my book. The fainting girls were paid, etc. The film and music industry have been captured since long ago, which they show of with occult symbols (vigilantcitizen.com).
I agree that the Beatles were pushed. Being an independent musician I noticed that one didn't make much money if one didn't play mainstream music. I didn't think much of them till their later albums. They did create some wonderful songs with much craft in their recordings and arrangements with really good extra musicians. I have only recently noticed how the whole entertainment industry put likes and assumptions into my head with predictive programming and subliminal influencing. Like what an attractive woman is or what sounds good. Creedence Clearwater spent years playing low paying gigs before getting their rhythm backing together enough to be noticed. They lost a lot of money putting much of it in a CIA bank. the '76 swine flu scam starting me looking beyond what I had internally accepted about vaccines. Amazing how the population of the world forgot about the repeat 2009 swine flu scam and most went along with Covid scam. Even China's and Russia's medical establishments are totally in line with the Western mainstream medicine. I am now totally anti-vaxxer and disbelieve most of germ theory and Rockefeller allopathic medicine. I got my children through public school getting only 3 vaccines. My daughter was 21 and away at college before she ever took an antibiotic. Vaccines and man made Co2 causing global climate catastrophe are a Western religion. "They' are using false bird flu to destroy millions of chickens and now going after dairy cattle.
The only way I have noticed plans and operations spanning out over decades and even centuries is through families. With technology the pie gets bigger and with the deep state grows along with it. George Carlin: "It's a big party and we ain't in it. The royal families in England and the Netherlands are among th e richest inth the world (The biggest stockholder in Royal Dutch Shell) The Rothchilds - the Rockefellers It is said that 500 families control Mexico 30 families run El Salvador It is said there are families in Italy that have been wealthy since the times of the Roman Empire. Families in Florence that have been wealthy for a thousand years (Read the Leopard ) The German Thyssen Krupp conglomerate is the biggest in Germany still today.There are always groups of operators like the Cecil Rhodes group who continued after his death who engineered WW1. The banking elites made money off of both sides. Matthew Ehret somewhat agrees with Mees as he says the banking elites go back to Venice banking elites after the fall of Rome in the 6th century. Moved to Amsterdam and then London as their center. I agree with Kevin that the world is too big for one small group to control everything. The deep state is not monolithic. I do agree with Mees that the banker conspiracy is the biggest and in plain site. Economics reading are one of the better ways to find a way when your have trouble getting to sleeping. Academic economics never talks about debt while Wall financial dealings are deliberately made complicated - can you explain how synthetic Collateralized Debt Obligations work? There is a difference between the old oligarchic families in Europe and the newer ones in the US. The AngloZionist US empire did 9/11. The Jewish American oligarchies have been steadily replacing the New England Anglos starting with Roosevelt. The national security state and Israel killed JFK (you do remember Jacob Rubinstein), RFK, and MLK in the 60s and got away with it. Their power in the US has been increasing every decade since. I think Putin is a Russian nationalist although there are still 5th columnists in Russia (contrast him with Yeltsin). At this time the post Mao dynasty in China desires the good for the general population. Although there is no guarantee that the control power technology gives them won't be misused by future generations of Chinese leaders. Corbett thinks Russia and China are parts of the deep state central control because he is biased towards anarchy. The Corona plandemic clearly shows that the entire world mainstream medical establishment is under the globalists control including Russia and China
"The Corona plandemic clearly shows that the entire world mainstream medical establishment is under the globalists control including Russia and China". So the governments must be under their control too. Isn't that what Mees said?
He did acknowledge that there is competition between the groups but they are all following the same agenda. He thinks that agenda is set by a global mafia so the definition of that is the thing. Is it one group that has been around for years or is it a mish mash of current globalists, or a bit of both?
"Everybody wants to rule the world" whether they are nationalist or globalist, communist or capitalist. I think Mees exaggerates the notion of a single entity controlling everything. I think lots of different individuals and groups use available technology, including evil technology like usury and WMD, to try to maximize their power.
It was noticeable during the Cold War that the control freaks in both the West and the Communists loved the tension as it increased their influence in their countries. Most people in each side just wanted more for themselves and weren't particularly interested in ruling the world. Notice how the West doesn't care to make Western workers better off than Russian workers since the end of the Soviet Union. Reagan announced that Unions would no longer be powerful in the US. The power that be in the West really didn't like the stagflation with the unions just adding the cost of living increases into it contracts, making every ones wages rise. Notice how China went along with the Western ambition to make it the low wage factory of the world until it obtained the technology from the West it needed. It then regained the sovereignty it appeared to have given up. At this point the New Silk road seems to be a win win exposition - read Pepe Escobar. Not all of the present deep state goes along with the transhumanist eugenicist paradigm. Tom Luongo has explained how the European globalists with their old money controlled Libor's setting of interest rates to make the Eurodollar powerful. SOFR has made it so the US sets its own interest rates. and set the dollar free from the Eurodollar. Powell's raising of the Fed's interest rates broke the zero interest rates that the European old money needed. One fortunate aspect of this split is that powerful American private bankers like Jamie Diamond doesn't want to give up their power . This would happen with Central Bank Digital Currency. One example of how different factions in the deep state fight among themselves for the loot and control. These people want even more power, money,,and control. Most of them do want to rule the world. I don't see Putin as wanting to rule the world. He definitely is a Russian nationalist. He has somehow overcome the looting by the West in the 90s. He made the state more powerful than the oligarchs. Battled 5th columnists who wanted Russia to be more like the West. Stopped NATO from expanding into Georgia and Ukraine. Who knows what the successor to Putin will be. Moreno was a mole for the West in Rafael Correa' s party. Let Britain take Assange. A total agent for the US. Since then Ecuador has almost become a failed state with narco criminals killing Presidential candiates. Crime out of control Violent clashes between the government and the indigenous peoples.
I found this conversation very interesting. However, I don't quite by the single, controlling group theory of the author. This is because it doesn't take into account individual agency.
This is not to say that such a group or many such groups do not exist. However, to date, their only real accomplishment in history is to cause the average mortal a lot of misery with their political machinations.
The idea that an individual group has been working for centuries to develop a one world governmental body, to me, is a bit far fetched. Given that in earlier times they would have had less people to contend with and still had no success in developing such a governmental model there is little possibility that with close to nine billion people on the planet they will fare any better; especially with the mass communications that are now available to nearly everyone on the planet in one form or another.
Of course many empires have attempted to control the world but only Rome was able to control a large part of the "known" world at the time. Rome, The Ottoman Empire, and the Austrian Empire to date have been the only successful empires to bring varying levels of sustained peace to their environs.
And though Rome is portrayed as some form of ruthless conqueror, more recent research into the development of Christianity, for which there is new evidence to consider that it was an outgrowth of Flavianism, has also shown that the image that the modern world has of Rome was actually created in Hollywood. The reality was that Rome was a far more open society and more accepting of different peoples than today populations understand.
The Ottoman Empire brought a general peace for nearly a thousand years, most likely as a result that the Ottoman rulers did not recognize national boundaries within their empire.
The Austrian Empire kept relatively long periods of peace for around 900 years because they believed in the old Italian adage, "Make love, not war", and followed through with foreign policies that were heavily invested in marriage and diplomacy.
The Byzantine Empire, more or less followed the courses that the previous three empires took but because of their geographic position had to rely on not only diplomacy but eventually a highly trained and mobile army that evolved as a result of the difficulties of dealing with Attila and his Huns.
As to the ancient Jews, I also have to disagree with the author here. First, archeological research has shown that the area of Palestine was possibly originally inhabited and cultivated by the Phoenicians, which later gave rise to the Kingdom of Israel. However, this ancient kingdom was "Jewish" but instead Hebraic. And the ancient Hebrews do not appear to have really had any religious affiliations with the actual Jews that arose in the smaller kingdom of Judea, just to the south.
If famed war correspondent and journalist, Douglas Reed, and his last publication (after his death) is anywhere near accurate ("The Controversy of Zion"), then the ancient Hebrews believed the Judeans were bat-shit crazy and wanted nothing to do with them. So we in the rest of the world got them instead.
Judea, according to the research I have done on the subject, was never part of the Kingdom of Israel. It was at times however, "confederated" with the kingdom in times when such a confederation made sense.
Finally, the idea of some form of "evil" pervades our world, to me, is an abstraction of just a lot of shitty Human Beings. And the problem with looking at such as an abstraction leads people to believe in another abstraction to save them from such evil, namely god or many gods. In this respect, the ancient gods of Greece and Rome actually made more sense than the fairly tale versions we get today from Old and New Testaments. Those ancient gods were there not to save Humanity but to merely interact with it.
But if we look at the actual god the ancient Judeans chose to be their own, they had to be some really fucked up people to pick a psychopathic entity such as Yahweh...
Thank you Steve, lots of good points here. I agree with Mees that ruthless powerful people have used usury and propaganda to build empires, but I'm not sure it's a single united group with strong continuity over five centuries, as he suggests.
Thanks for your comments, Steve and Kevin!
As I mention in the interview, there are all kinds of groups, but there is one agenda, with Covid/WHO and Agenda 2030 as recent examples.
There are methodologies (templates) being applied systemically and consequently, over centuries, for example the creation of nation states with central banks and fake democracies in the West, which started in Holland and then was generalized.
The hegemonic cycles scheme is also part of it, and soon we will find ourselves in the fifth cycle, under China and Russia, which they prepared for over a century. The last – financial – phase of the American cycle started in 1971, the year to which I dedicate a chapter: 1971: the year that (music) changed everything. That’s because even David Bowie and the Beatles played a role in it, see the song Imagine (… no countries, … no possessions, … no religion) that could have been written by Klaus Schwab (who started his organization in … 1971).
These evil people are very impressive, and the idea that reality is too complex for them to handle is not correct. Of course they have to switch from plan A to B or C every now and then, but they stick to their agenda.
I think John Lennon was sincere in his song imagine. He was rich enough that he could have been a nexus for dissent so 'they' killed him. The system worked for him so he probably had not looked into the deep state aspects of it. I know I generally grew up believing in the bad aspects of nationalism resulting in the numerous European conflicts with WW1 and 2 especially appalling. Organized religion certainly has its defects. However there is spiritual dimension to life which the West is sadly lacking. It wasn't till 2008 before I noticed the conspiracy that our financial system is. There is hope in the amazing creativity we humans sometimes exhibit. Nothing is fool proof because fools are so ingenious.
I read in a Lennon biography that "Imagine" was ironic. I see it as ambivalently ironic - at one level he believed it, at another he found it ridiculous.
This kind of predictive programming or subliminal influencing is very common in the Glafia project.
Mark Devlin and a few others have deeply researched the Beatles (see for example Magical Mystery Talks in 10 episodes, or his books). Their career soared because they were pushed, a trademark of Glafia involvement, I show many examples in my book. The fainting girls were paid, etc. The film and music industry have been captured since long ago, which they show of with occult symbols (vigilantcitizen.com).
I agree that the Beatles were pushed. Being an independent musician I noticed that one didn't make much money if one didn't play mainstream music. I didn't think much of them till their later albums. They did create some wonderful songs with much craft in their recordings and arrangements with really good extra musicians. I have only recently noticed how the whole entertainment industry put likes and assumptions into my head with predictive programming and subliminal influencing. Like what an attractive woman is or what sounds good. Creedence Clearwater spent years playing low paying gigs before getting their rhythm backing together enough to be noticed. They lost a lot of money putting much of it in a CIA bank. the '76 swine flu scam starting me looking beyond what I had internally accepted about vaccines. Amazing how the population of the world forgot about the repeat 2009 swine flu scam and most went along with Covid scam. Even China's and Russia's medical establishments are totally in line with the Western mainstream medicine. I am now totally anti-vaxxer and disbelieve most of germ theory and Rockefeller allopathic medicine. I got my children through public school getting only 3 vaccines. My daughter was 21 and away at college before she ever took an antibiotic. Vaccines and man made Co2 causing global climate catastrophe are a Western religion. "They' are using false bird flu to destroy millions of chickens and now going after dairy cattle.
The British Invasion.
Very thoughtful post. Thanks.
The only way I have noticed plans and operations spanning out over decades and even centuries is through families. With technology the pie gets bigger and with the deep state grows along with it. George Carlin: "It's a big party and we ain't in it. The royal families in England and the Netherlands are among th e richest inth the world (The biggest stockholder in Royal Dutch Shell) The Rothchilds - the Rockefellers It is said that 500 families control Mexico 30 families run El Salvador It is said there are families in Italy that have been wealthy since the times of the Roman Empire. Families in Florence that have been wealthy for a thousand years (Read the Leopard ) The German Thyssen Krupp conglomerate is the biggest in Germany still today.There are always groups of operators like the Cecil Rhodes group who continued after his death who engineered WW1. The banking elites made money off of both sides. Matthew Ehret somewhat agrees with Mees as he says the banking elites go back to Venice banking elites after the fall of Rome in the 6th century. Moved to Amsterdam and then London as their center. I agree with Kevin that the world is too big for one small group to control everything. The deep state is not monolithic. I do agree with Mees that the banker conspiracy is the biggest and in plain site. Economics reading are one of the better ways to find a way when your have trouble getting to sleeping. Academic economics never talks about debt while Wall financial dealings are deliberately made complicated - can you explain how synthetic Collateralized Debt Obligations work? There is a difference between the old oligarchic families in Europe and the newer ones in the US. The AngloZionist US empire did 9/11. The Jewish American oligarchies have been steadily replacing the New England Anglos starting with Roosevelt. The national security state and Israel killed JFK (you do remember Jacob Rubinstein), RFK, and MLK in the 60s and got away with it. Their power in the US has been increasing every decade since. I think Putin is a Russian nationalist although there are still 5th columnists in Russia (contrast him with Yeltsin). At this time the post Mao dynasty in China desires the good for the general population. Although there is no guarantee that the control power technology gives them won't be misused by future generations of Chinese leaders. Corbett thinks Russia and China are parts of the deep state central control because he is biased towards anarchy. The Corona plandemic clearly shows that the entire world mainstream medical establishment is under the globalists control including Russia and China
"The Corona plandemic clearly shows that the entire world mainstream medical establishment is under the globalists control including Russia and China". So the governments must be under their control too. Isn't that what Mees said?
He did acknowledge that there is competition between the groups but they are all following the same agenda. He thinks that agenda is set by a global mafia so the definition of that is the thing. Is it one group that has been around for years or is it a mish mash of current globalists, or a bit of both?
"Everybody wants to rule the world" whether they are nationalist or globalist, communist or capitalist. I think Mees exaggerates the notion of a single entity controlling everything. I think lots of different individuals and groups use available technology, including evil technology like usury and WMD, to try to maximize their power.
It was noticeable during the Cold War that the control freaks in both the West and the Communists loved the tension as it increased their influence in their countries. Most people in each side just wanted more for themselves and weren't particularly interested in ruling the world. Notice how the West doesn't care to make Western workers better off than Russian workers since the end of the Soviet Union. Reagan announced that Unions would no longer be powerful in the US. The power that be in the West really didn't like the stagflation with the unions just adding the cost of living increases into it contracts, making every ones wages rise. Notice how China went along with the Western ambition to make it the low wage factory of the world until it obtained the technology from the West it needed. It then regained the sovereignty it appeared to have given up. At this point the New Silk road seems to be a win win exposition - read Pepe Escobar. Not all of the present deep state goes along with the transhumanist eugenicist paradigm. Tom Luongo has explained how the European globalists with their old money controlled Libor's setting of interest rates to make the Eurodollar powerful. SOFR has made it so the US sets its own interest rates. and set the dollar free from the Eurodollar. Powell's raising of the Fed's interest rates broke the zero interest rates that the European old money needed. One fortunate aspect of this split is that powerful American private bankers like Jamie Diamond doesn't want to give up their power . This would happen with Central Bank Digital Currency. One example of how different factions in the deep state fight among themselves for the loot and control. These people want even more power, money,,and control. Most of them do want to rule the world. I don't see Putin as wanting to rule the world. He definitely is a Russian nationalist. He has somehow overcome the looting by the West in the 90s. He made the state more powerful than the oligarchs. Battled 5th columnists who wanted Russia to be more like the West. Stopped NATO from expanding into Georgia and Ukraine. Who knows what the successor to Putin will be. Moreno was a mole for the West in Rafael Correa' s party. Let Britain take Assange. A total agent for the US. Since then Ecuador has almost become a failed state with narco criminals killing Presidential candiates. Crime out of control Violent clashes between the government and the indigenous peoples.