True Christians should oppose Zionism. Pope Saint Pius X (1903-1914) I believe said it best re- Israel and Zionism (as opposed to the enemy colonized Vatican position since the false Vatican II Council [1962-65]). When Theodore Herzl met with Pius X in 1904 to plead for his support for the establishment of a Jewish state, Pius rejected Herzl's request. He told Herzl, “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people....”
The whole story of the meeting between Pius X and Herzl can be seen here, including Herzl's personal account of the meeting.
Pius X also told Herzl: "If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will have churches and priests ready to baptize all of you." Back then priests were validly ordained. Very few are today. Antipope Paul VI (1963-78), a cryto-Jew & Freemason, invalidated the episcopal consecration rite that makes a priest a bishop. He was also an unchaste homosexual. It is chutzpah on steroids that the counterfeit new church since the 1960s calls him a "saint"! See my profile for more.
If “Order is the first law of Heaven”, then it must be that Evil feeds on and thrives in Chaos. So many lies and half-truths, it appears that history is laced with His Story.
Regardless of how it was conceived, the current World-Wide Zionism ideology, is a poisonous thorn in the side of Humanity.
Some people need to justify their behavior by believing in all sorts of things, such as the chosen people, in order to be able to live with themselves and to justify their toxic behavior.
There are always the instigators and the weak and corruptible that go hand in hand. The Instigators, always find weak and corruptible people to manipulate in order to move their agendas forward.
The weak and corrupt people go along with the story they are told because they don’t have the integrity and fortitude to be resolved or strong, so they get down on their knees to receive benefits by believing such nonsensical things.
It is NOT black against white or this against that, it is the evil doers together with their army and victims of weak and corruptible minions and selfish people, against the good and righteous folks.
The problem is at the moments, there are a lot more ignorant corrupt people than the good people and the instigators have been riding high. It is a damn shame that abomination called Hagee has mislead so many otherwise good people.
So, we must start by correctly defining what we mean or understand in general by words like MYTH, CHOSEN ONE, ARABIAN, HEBREW, JEW, ISRAEL, ASHKENAZI, ZIONIST, SKIN COLOUR, BIOLOGICAL TYPE, RACE, HUMAN, APARTHEID, etc. Today, this can hardly be done at the academic level where free thinking is not usually allowed and where we (and even Jews!) face criminal prosecution when we dare write freely about the Chosen Ones. The original Greco-Roman Christians had even claimed to be the New Chosen Ones of the New Covenant. In the midst of so many lies, fabrications, legends, fables, myths, fairy tales, and so much corruption of ancient, past and modern History, only mercenary intellectuals can claim to know the truth of their own fabrications to please their paymasters! History is an extremely cloudy sky with rare sunrays passing through it and all our impoverished children have to be indoctrinated in public schools that lawyer M.K. Gandhi the sex pervert and British stooge called Citadels of Slavery!
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
To paraphrase the bard: A jew by any other name is anti-christ. Even among the liberalish reformed jewish congregations the name of Jesus is verboten. Now we have in Israel Christians visit to pay homage to the places where Jesus walked. I imagine the local ruling and oppressed peoples who occupy that territory regualarly have a big laugh about devout or just plain curious people coming to the "holy land" to visit the land where one who preached "turning the other cheek" living. Its all pretty ironic, but no doubt they are laughing, some all the way to the bank.
I tend to agree with you as to much of the OT being tribal mythology. It is interesting that after digging for over a century archaeologist can find very little evidence to support many of the these stories. Given how they have acted for thousands of years - I am starting to wonder if they are the remnants of the Nephilim. As for being kicked out of 109 countries - I think of it like this - If your new neighbor has a son the same age as yours and drops the fact that her son had been kicked out of 5 schools unjustly- you probably would not want your child to play with him.
I don't think the majority of Christians are Christian Zionist. I would ask a Christian Zionist one question - If the Jews are the chosen people - then why did God bother sending his son to offer salvation to all who follow him while stating the temple of God is not in the earthly realm only to be crucified by the "chosen ones"?
The following short video is pretty good
Pro-Zionist Christian Indoctrinated for 20 Years… Then Left SPEECHLESS in Seconds
Due to decadence, the powerful racialist and racist West is becoming gradually made up of mixed biological types according to their own nonsensical and stupid classical definitions of human races into four groups: Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid and Semitic. But, as with all honest research, words and concepts need first to be defined or-redefined correctly, which is usually not done, and depending on who holds power, words and concepts are given specific definitions depending on the politics of the day. The conquered world has been divided into countries with geographical borders, into meaningless nations, but some uphold supremacy over all others.
"There is longstanding Christian doctrine opposed to Zionism." That is an understatement of the millennium. Jesus is the father of anti-Zionism, or more precisely, a physical Jewish homeland and Jewish master race as was writ in the Torah.
The Jews that rejected and killed Jesus believed they as physical descendants of Abraham's grandson "Israel" were Chosen by God by dint of their seed (bloodline/genetics). That was the old covenant; perhaps the oldest form of racism in recorded history. What is today referred to as 'racist' or 'racial supremacy' in the New Testament was referred to as 'the children of the flesh'...
The bible says they which are the children of the flesh, that being the physical descendants of Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a physical nation, are not the children of God:
Romans 9:7-8 "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise that are counted for the seed. And IF ye be Christ’s, THEN are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians: 3:16 Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to SEEDS, as of many (as in Israel); but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Not as in a racial lineage of chosen Israeli's, but as of one in Christ: that means there is no chosen Jewish 'master race'; That means no Jewish supremacist state.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain
Galatians 3:26 For ye are ALL the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 29 And IF ye be Christ's, THEN are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
John 3:6-7 For that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."
Christ, by turning away from the primitive genetic superiority “of the flesh” espoused by the founders of racism, created a New Covenant based on faith in Christ.
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
Jesus ended the old covenant with the Israelite, that being a Chosen nation of physical decadents of Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a physical nation... a master race ideology, and replaced it with a heavenly kingdom by faith in Christ... Be you Jew (race) or Greek (race), Bond or Free, Male or Female, (No matter your race, your social status, or your gender, ye are all one in Christ.)
That makes Jesus the king of Anti-Zionism.
Why are Christians trying to help the Jewish Anti-Christ undo what Jesus did?
TODAY'S APARTHEID ISRAEL IS CALLED A DEMOCRACY RUN BY ASHKENAZIS AND RACIST NATIONAL ZIONISTS (NAZIS).
This should make a good subject for research in any institution of learning, but not when the schools and academies are controlled by the Chosen ones, which has been the case for quite some time in the so-called WEST, the most racist and genocidal Empire of History. I have always been interested in this subject since a teenager because we had to deal with the Alliance of two human groups of some two billion people making the same supremacist racialist and racist claim because they hold military, industrial and financial power over the rest of the world they once had conquered almost completely. Might is always right even if Apartheid Israel represents far less than 20 million odious creatures! Some are however good human beings!
Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is?
"MERCHANT OF VENICE" (Printed 1600) Edward de Vere, 1550 – 1604
also known as “William Shakespeare” Seventeenth Earl of Oxford, Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth I.
Having coined 5000 words for the English language, de Vere’s prose was the basis for The King James Bible.
The Renaissance Man of England, Dorothy and Carlton Ogburn, (New York: Coward-McCann Inc., 1955).
The answer is obviously no because A JEW is acclaimed as superior in all domains to the rest of humanity!
True Christians should oppose Zionism. Pope Saint Pius X (1903-1914) I believe said it best re- Israel and Zionism (as opposed to the enemy colonized Vatican position since the false Vatican II Council [1962-65]). When Theodore Herzl met with Pius X in 1904 to plead for his support for the establishment of a Jewish state, Pius rejected Herzl's request. He told Herzl, “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people....”
The whole story of the meeting between Pius X and Herzl can be seen here, including Herzl's personal account of the meeting.
https://jewinthepew.org/2015/01/25/25-january-1904-pope-pius-x-gives-theodor-herzls-zionist-project-a-cold-reception-otdimjh-onthisday
How the mighty have fallen*
Pius X also told Herzl: "If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will have churches and priests ready to baptize all of you." Back then priests were validly ordained. Very few are today. Antipope Paul VI (1963-78), a cryto-Jew & Freemason, invalidated the episcopal consecration rite that makes a priest a bishop. He was also an unchaste homosexual. It is chutzpah on steroids that the counterfeit new church since the 1960s calls him a "saint"! See my profile for more.
There are many good ore Vatican 2Riman catholic christians./We aren't Catholic.**
Typo ...There are absolutely Many good PRE VATICAN 2 Catholic Christians
If “Order is the first law of Heaven”, then it must be that Evil feeds on and thrives in Chaos. So many lies and half-truths, it appears that history is laced with His Story.
Regardless of how it was conceived, the current World-Wide Zionism ideology, is a poisonous thorn in the side of Humanity.
Some people need to justify their behavior by believing in all sorts of things, such as the chosen people, in order to be able to live with themselves and to justify their toxic behavior.
There are always the instigators and the weak and corruptible that go hand in hand. The Instigators, always find weak and corruptible people to manipulate in order to move their agendas forward.
The weak and corrupt people go along with the story they are told because they don’t have the integrity and fortitude to be resolved or strong, so they get down on their knees to receive benefits by believing such nonsensical things.
It is NOT black against white or this against that, it is the evil doers together with their army and victims of weak and corruptible minions and selfish people, against the good and righteous folks.
The problem is at the moments, there are a lot more ignorant corrupt people than the good people and the instigators have been riding high. It is a damn shame that abomination called Hagee has mislead so many otherwise good people.
Stentorian munificent magisterial comment**God Bless....God Speed.
Be politely advised we replied to Universal Power s trenchant perspective*Thanks...just to be clear.
So, we must start by correctly defining what we mean or understand in general by words like MYTH, CHOSEN ONE, ARABIAN, HEBREW, JEW, ISRAEL, ASHKENAZI, ZIONIST, SKIN COLOUR, BIOLOGICAL TYPE, RACE, HUMAN, APARTHEID, etc. Today, this can hardly be done at the academic level where free thinking is not usually allowed and where we (and even Jews!) face criminal prosecution when we dare write freely about the Chosen Ones. The original Greco-Roman Christians had even claimed to be the New Chosen Ones of the New Covenant. In the midst of so many lies, fabrications, legends, fables, myths, fairy tales, and so much corruption of ancient, past and modern History, only mercenary intellectuals can claim to know the truth of their own fabrications to please their paymasters! History is an extremely cloudy sky with rare sunrays passing through it and all our impoverished children have to be indoctrinated in public schools that lawyer M.K. Gandhi the sex pervert and British stooge called Citadels of Slavery!
Basheer..You penned an erudite brilliant clarity i...a n excellent quasi narrative..cheers**
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1018077-the-age-of-reason-being-an-investigation-of-true-and-fabulous-theology
To paraphrase the bard: A jew by any other name is anti-christ. Even among the liberalish reformed jewish congregations the name of Jesus is verboten. Now we have in Israel Christians visit to pay homage to the places where Jesus walked. I imagine the local ruling and oppressed peoples who occupy that territory regualarly have a big laugh about devout or just plain curious people coming to the "holy land" to visit the land where one who preached "turning the other cheek" living. Its all pretty ironic, but no doubt they are laughing, some all the way to the bank.
I tend to agree with you as to much of the OT being tribal mythology. It is interesting that after digging for over a century archaeologist can find very little evidence to support many of the these stories. Given how they have acted for thousands of years - I am starting to wonder if they are the remnants of the Nephilim. As for being kicked out of 109 countries - I think of it like this - If your new neighbor has a son the same age as yours and drops the fact that her son had been kicked out of 5 schools unjustly- you probably would not want your child to play with him.
I don't think the majority of Christians are Christian Zionist. I would ask a Christian Zionist one question - If the Jews are the chosen people - then why did God bother sending his son to offer salvation to all who follow him while stating the temple of God is not in the earthly realm only to be crucified by the "chosen ones"?
The following short video is pretty good
Pro-Zionist Christian Indoctrinated for 20 Years… Then Left SPEECHLESS in Seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvWrjCDn2KQ
Due to decadence, the powerful racialist and racist West is becoming gradually made up of mixed biological types according to their own nonsensical and stupid classical definitions of human races into four groups: Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid and Semitic. But, as with all honest research, words and concepts need first to be defined or-redefined correctly, which is usually not done, and depending on who holds power, words and concepts are given specific definitions depending on the politics of the day. The conquered world has been divided into countries with geographical borders, into meaningless nations, but some uphold supremacy over all others.
Very fine comment..thank you Basheer**
"There is longstanding Christian doctrine opposed to Zionism." That is an understatement of the millennium. Jesus is the father of anti-Zionism, or more precisely, a physical Jewish homeland and Jewish master race as was writ in the Torah.
The Jews that rejected and killed Jesus believed they as physical descendants of Abraham's grandson "Israel" were Chosen by God by dint of their seed (bloodline/genetics). That was the old covenant; perhaps the oldest form of racism in recorded history. What is today referred to as 'racist' or 'racial supremacy' in the New Testament was referred to as 'the children of the flesh'...
The bible says they which are the children of the flesh, that being the physical descendants of Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a physical nation, are not the children of God:
Romans 9:7-8 "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise that are counted for the seed. And IF ye be Christ’s, THEN are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians: 3:16 Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to SEEDS, as of many (as in Israel); but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Not as in a racial lineage of chosen Israeli's, but as of one in Christ: that means there is no chosen Jewish 'master race'; That means no Jewish supremacist state.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain
Galatians 3:26 For ye are ALL the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 29 And IF ye be Christ's, THEN are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
John 3:6-7 For that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."
Christ, by turning away from the primitive genetic superiority “of the flesh” espoused by the founders of racism, created a New Covenant based on faith in Christ.
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
Jesus ended the old covenant with the Israelite, that being a Chosen nation of physical decadents of Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a physical nation... a master race ideology, and replaced it with a heavenly kingdom by faith in Christ... Be you Jew (race) or Greek (race), Bond or Free, Male or Female, (No matter your race, your social status, or your gender, ye are all one in Christ.)
That makes Jesus the king of Anti-Zionism.
Why are Christians trying to help the Jewish Anti-Christ undo what Jesus did?
Hey, Allan, did you read the writings of YAKUB or YAKOV, the brother of the Arabian 'ISA ON JESUS not the GRECO_ROMAN JIZAS ABOUT JESUS???
PAUL WAS NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN???????
So, stop with your fabricated religion!!!
I never ate pork, was circumcised; I never died on the Cross and never resurrected, and will not return! I NEVER EVEN EXISTED!!!
JIZAS LOVES YOU!!!!
There is no such thing as the OLD & NEW TESTAMENT as DIVINE REVELATIONS!!!
TODAY'S APARTHEID ISRAEL IS CALLED A DEMOCRACY RUN BY ASHKENAZIS AND RACIST NATIONAL ZIONISTS (NAZIS).
This should make a good subject for research in any institution of learning, but not when the schools and academies are controlled by the Chosen ones, which has been the case for quite some time in the so-called WEST, the most racist and genocidal Empire of History. I have always been interested in this subject since a teenager because we had to deal with the Alliance of two human groups of some two billion people making the same supremacist racialist and racist claim because they hold military, industrial and financial power over the rest of the world they once had conquered almost completely. Might is always right even if Apartheid Israel represents far less than 20 million odious creatures! Some are however good human beings!
Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is?
"MERCHANT OF VENICE" (Printed 1600) Edward de Vere, 1550 – 1604
also known as “William Shakespeare” Seventeenth Earl of Oxford, Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth I.
Having coined 5000 words for the English language, de Vere’s prose was the basis for The King James Bible.
The Renaissance Man of England, Dorothy and Carlton Ogburn, (New York: Coward-McCann Inc., 1955).
The answer is obviously no because A JEW is acclaimed as superior in all domains to the rest of humanity!
THE MYTH OF THE CHOSEN ARABIANS CALLED HIBIRUS, JEWS, JUDAICS OR ISRAEL CLAIMING SUPERIORITY OVER THE REST OF HUMANITY FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
"I’m hosting next month. It will last seven days in December and we will look at Zionism for a Christian perspective"
IN THE 1960S, IT TOOK ME JUST A FEW MINUTES TO "look at" ZIONISM AND CHRISTIANISM, and I never changed my mind in more than 6 decades!
You are now STILL LOOKING????
BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!
BAFS