I’ve yet to hear anything out of Tucker Carlson’s pie hole repudiating his previous attacks on people like you and David Ray Griffin, and unless and until I do, fuck you Tucker.
For me the same holds true with candyass owens, and Chris hedges-his-bets.
Sorry, I’m just quick to anger, and slow to forgive and forget.
I’ll save my kudos and veneration for the people who did their due diligence, instead of following the comfortable company line.
If you feel otherwise that’s fine.
You’ve done good works Kevin, and paid a stiff price.
If it’s all the same to you I’ll dedicate this Patriot Day in Murica to all the troofers who stood tall from the start, and didn’t quit when the going got tough.
I’m with you. It all seems a little suspect that Tucker and Candace now profit from pulling their heads out of the sand and questioning things while people like Dr. Barrett and Kevin Ryan were excoriated and labeled ‘kooks’, and suffered the consequences.
Love your always fair-minded moderation and discussion, Kevin. I'm wholly with Wyatt's views here. Guyenot's deep anti-Christian and anti-religion bias clouds his thinking on so much, and while he thinks he understands the true tenets of Christianity, the fact is that he hasn't a clue and thus dislikes it -- whatever phantasmagorical version of Christianity he has conjured up in his mind. I find this to be true of most (if not all) who despise Christianity. Only God's grace can open and enlighten such minds, and I will pray for that for all who do not see.
I'm thumbing my nose at the OffNarr (official narrative) by flying into the DC area at this moment. However I'm delayed by this year's controlled demolition--wildfire smoke in Vegas.
I see all of the Abrahamic religions as part of the Yahwist psyop. When the Quran says that Christians will be friends to Muslims, does it specify whether the Christ is a who or a what? If you're making the assumption that the literary character called Jesus was the Christ, it's the same as assuming that the word God means Yahweh or nothing at all.
Oh and I interviewed Richard Gage long ago, which is how I first realized the first level of deception--knowing what didn't happen, if not what did. And I bought David Ray Griffin a cup of coffee at the 911 & the Deep State conference in Santa Cruz. Laurent has added a whole new level, and I've been quoting him prolifically.
Laurent is great. But I think the problem with Yahwism is that unlike the God of mysticism and philosophy, who is universal and ineffable, Yahweh is tribal and anthropomorphic, with unpleasant human characteristics, including egotism, jealousy, unjust preferences, and genocidal mania. Christianity rolls back the tribalism and unpleasant characteristics, but retains a degree of anthromorphism (father, son, etc.) Islam eliminates the anthropomorphism too, returning to the God of mysticism and philosophy, i.e. the Real, but with a bit more of an emphasis on ethics and morality than the average mystic or philosopher.
What a thoughtful analysis of the Abrahamic religions, Kevin. What I've said is that ethics and morality supersede religion. The first question in ethics is our true relationship to one another--are we born morally equal in our capacity to choose good, or is there a hierarchy of who is born to rule and who is born to obey?
If we're born morally equal, there are rules of ethics that apply--it's wrong to do to others what would be wrong for them to do to you, statements of ethics can contain no proper nouns, every application must be reversible and able to swap out the variables, like an algebra equation.
If a moral code is subsumed within a system of religious authority, it's a contradiction to the premise of moral equality. And counterproductive, I think, if our purpose is to agree on ethical principles. It makes one religion and therefore its practitioners morally 'better' than those of other religions. It introduces a level of confusion rather than clarity.
I'd love to see an alliance of people who first agree on their relationship to one another, and then speculate about the possibilities for Ultimate Reality, aka God.
WONDERFUL convo. You are not Christians so I know you may have some tunnel vision in that theological department. Here are some ideas that relate to the discussion about Christianity and Jesus.
The Jews that rejected Jesus believed they as physical descendants of Abraham were Chosen by God by dint of their seed... or bloodline/genetics. That was at the core of the old covenant, and perhaps the oldest form of racism in recorded history. What today we refer to as racism or racial supremacy in Christs day they referred to in the New Testament as 'children of the flesh'...
The New Testament says they which are the children of the flesh, the physical descendants of Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a physical nation, are not the children of God.
Romans 9:7-8 "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise that are counted for the seed. And IF ye be Christ’s, THEN are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
The New Testament eviscerated the old testament narrative of blessing the nation of Israel. Many Christians repeat this obsolete Old Testament narrative, inserted via Zionist footnotes thanks to the Schofield Reference bible, which was backed by Rothschild money.
Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
This foundational old testament verse established God's promise to Abraham, which extended to his descendants (Israel). The New Testament revoked the promises to Israel in the Old Testament, and replaces it with Christ:
Galatians: 3:16 Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to Seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
That means no Jewish 'master race'; That means no Jewish supremacist state, no white power nation, nor black power nation, but as of one, in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are ALL the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 29 And IF ye be Christ's, THEN are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Christ, by turning away from the primitive genetic superiority 'of the flesh' espoused by the founders of racism, created a New Covenant based on faith in Christ.
The New Testament goes on to eviscerate the old covenant with the Israelite's:
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice, ending the old covenant with the Israelite, that being a Chosen nation of physical decadents from Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a master race lineage, a physical Jerusalem and an earthly temple (with animal sacrifices)... and replaced it with a heavenly kingdom by faith in Christ... that is the new Jerusalem. Be you Jew (race) or Greek (race), Bond or Free, Male or Female, (No matter your race, your social status, or your gender, ye are all one in Christ.)
That makes Jesus the king of Anti-Zionism.
This all begs to question, why are so many Christians helping the Jewish Anti-Christ undo what God did?
ISIS is to Islam, what Zionism is to Christianity.
I’m not a fan of religion,so would tend to side with Guyenot on that issue, but one fact he seemed to overlook is the fact he pointed out that all the historical writings were done by Christian clergy. That in itself was a major achievement of Christianity since no one else could write. It is not just incidental.
Guyenot shows that history to be fabrication in his book Anno Domini. So I think that not being a fan of religion means you don't have his particular blind spot.
Lauder was also ambassador to Austria, chairman of the Museum of Modern Art, and involved in owning/dealing of some of the most expensive artworks ever, of Austrian masters Klimt & Schiele. Pair this info with the fact that the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council gave vulgar, psychotic creep Austrian “art group” Gelitin (formerly Gelatin) free rein to act like suspicion-bearing, criminal goons around floors 89-93 of the North Tower, then publishing an apparent, taunting War Crime “artwork” in Sept. of 2001 that obviously demonstrates at least foreknowledge of the War Crime, and even suggests possible participation in the mass murder: https://www.gelitin.net/projects/b-thing/
I would rather follow Laurent quoting Adam Green that he sees "Christianity as being part of the problem and not the solution".
If you just consider the simple numerical mass of the Zionists today, the majority of them are Christians, this is a statistical fact. Don't you think the Evangelical Christians play a decisive role in the Zionist occupation of the American government and the blind support which is given to Israel?
On the Scriptures side, not only John 4.22 clearly says that "salvation is of the Jews", but the concept of "chosen people" is not rejected by Christianity and this concept is the essence of the globalist project, as it is that "holy supremacism" that gives the Jews the divine right to rule over humanity, the mere "goyim” that we all are.
Great interview Kevin! I really enjoy the combo of Laurent and Wyatt with your moderation. It feels like the JFK/911 torch is being passed on to the next generation, and these kinds of conversations help that. Please keep it up!
I’ve yet to hear anything out of Tucker Carlson’s pie hole repudiating his previous attacks on people like you and David Ray Griffin, and unless and until I do, fuck you Tucker.
For me the same holds true with candyass owens, and Chris hedges-his-bets.
Sorry, I’m just quick to anger, and slow to forgive and forget.
I’ll save my kudos and veneration for the people who did their due diligence, instead of following the comfortable company line.
If you feel otherwise that’s fine.
You’ve done good works Kevin, and paid a stiff price.
If it’s all the same to you I’ll dedicate this Patriot Day in Murica to all the troofers who stood tall from the start, and didn’t quit when the going got tough.
I’m with you. It all seems a little suspect that Tucker and Candace now profit from pulling their heads out of the sand and questioning things while people like Dr. Barrett and Kevin Ryan were excoriated and labeled ‘kooks’, and suffered the consequences.
5 DANCING ISRAELIS - SWAY GUEVARA
https://youtu.be/4jB2heHuQBg?si=GtNAL_lIT-9MlHV8
#luckylarry #5dancingisraelis #pullit
“Mr President people are outraged about the missing $2 trillion dollars!”
“Don’t you worry bout that I got a feeling everyone will forget all about it by tomorrow”
[NEVER FORGET 9/10/2001
When $2,3 trillion went missing from the Pentagon]
September 10th, 2001 - RUMSFELD: "We can not track 2,3 TRILLION dollars"
https://youtu.be/4FWFAs9ffGk?si=HnHi3CyeqJrkwQq7
Very interesting ideas exchanged, despite differences expressed at the end but still with respect in the voice. Love it.
Love your always fair-minded moderation and discussion, Kevin. I'm wholly with Wyatt's views here. Guyenot's deep anti-Christian and anti-religion bias clouds his thinking on so much, and while he thinks he understands the true tenets of Christianity, the fact is that he hasn't a clue and thus dislikes it -- whatever phantasmagorical version of Christianity he has conjured up in his mind. I find this to be true of most (if not all) who despise Christianity. Only God's grace can open and enlighten such minds, and I will pray for that for all who do not see.
I'm thumbing my nose at the OffNarr (official narrative) by flying into the DC area at this moment. However I'm delayed by this year's controlled demolition--wildfire smoke in Vegas.
I see all of the Abrahamic religions as part of the Yahwist psyop. When the Quran says that Christians will be friends to Muslims, does it specify whether the Christ is a who or a what? If you're making the assumption that the literary character called Jesus was the Christ, it's the same as assuming that the word God means Yahweh or nothing at all.
Laurent is my current favorite writer, scholar and thinker, and I see this as his only blind spot. Here are the ones specific to his books: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-ad and https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/from-yahweh-to-zion, but his research is changing everything I thought that I thought. Hope that someday I can return the favor: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/jesus-rebel-or-imperialist and https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/jesus-is-the-og-psy-ops.
Oh and I interviewed Richard Gage long ago, which is how I first realized the first level of deception--knowing what didn't happen, if not what did. And I bought David Ray Griffin a cup of coffee at the 911 & the Deep State conference in Santa Cruz. Laurent has added a whole new level, and I've been quoting him prolifically.
Laurent is great. But I think the problem with Yahwism is that unlike the God of mysticism and philosophy, who is universal and ineffable, Yahweh is tribal and anthropomorphic, with unpleasant human characteristics, including egotism, jealousy, unjust preferences, and genocidal mania. Christianity rolls back the tribalism and unpleasant characteristics, but retains a degree of anthromorphism (father, son, etc.) Islam eliminates the anthropomorphism too, returning to the God of mysticism and philosophy, i.e. the Real, but with a bit more of an emphasis on ethics and morality than the average mystic or philosopher.
What a thoughtful analysis of the Abrahamic religions, Kevin. What I've said is that ethics and morality supersede religion. The first question in ethics is our true relationship to one another--are we born morally equal in our capacity to choose good, or is there a hierarchy of who is born to rule and who is born to obey?
If we're born morally equal, there are rules of ethics that apply--it's wrong to do to others what would be wrong for them to do to you, statements of ethics can contain no proper nouns, every application must be reversible and able to swap out the variables, like an algebra equation.
If a moral code is subsumed within a system of religious authority, it's a contradiction to the premise of moral equality. And counterproductive, I think, if our purpose is to agree on ethical principles. It makes one religion and therefore its practitioners morally 'better' than those of other religions. It introduces a level of confusion rather than clarity.
I'd love to see an alliance of people who first agree on their relationship to one another, and then speculate about the possibilities for Ultimate Reality, aka God.
WONDERFUL convo. You are not Christians so I know you may have some tunnel vision in that theological department. Here are some ideas that relate to the discussion about Christianity and Jesus.
The Jews that rejected Jesus believed they as physical descendants of Abraham were Chosen by God by dint of their seed... or bloodline/genetics. That was at the core of the old covenant, and perhaps the oldest form of racism in recorded history. What today we refer to as racism or racial supremacy in Christs day they referred to in the New Testament as 'children of the flesh'...
The New Testament says they which are the children of the flesh, the physical descendants of Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a physical nation, are not the children of God.
Romans 9:7-8 "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise that are counted for the seed. And IF ye be Christ’s, THEN are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
The New Testament eviscerated the old testament narrative of blessing the nation of Israel. Many Christians repeat this obsolete Old Testament narrative, inserted via Zionist footnotes thanks to the Schofield Reference bible, which was backed by Rothschild money.
Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
This foundational old testament verse established God's promise to Abraham, which extended to his descendants (Israel). The New Testament revoked the promises to Israel in the Old Testament, and replaces it with Christ:
Galatians: 3:16 Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to Seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
That means no Jewish 'master race'; That means no Jewish supremacist state, no white power nation, nor black power nation, but as of one, in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are ALL the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 29 And IF ye be Christ's, THEN are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Christ, by turning away from the primitive genetic superiority 'of the flesh' espoused by the founders of racism, created a New Covenant based on faith in Christ.
The New Testament goes on to eviscerate the old covenant with the Israelite's:
Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 "In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice, ending the old covenant with the Israelite, that being a Chosen nation of physical decadents from Abraham, that being a physical Israel, a master race lineage, a physical Jerusalem and an earthly temple (with animal sacrifices)... and replaced it with a heavenly kingdom by faith in Christ... that is the new Jerusalem. Be you Jew (race) or Greek (race), Bond or Free, Male or Female, (No matter your race, your social status, or your gender, ye are all one in Christ.)
That makes Jesus the king of Anti-Zionism.
This all begs to question, why are so many Christians helping the Jewish Anti-Christ undo what God did?
ISIS is to Islam, what Zionism is to Christianity.
Great discussion Kevin, and moderating contrasting views of Christianity’s influence on Europe. Well done.
I’m not a fan of religion,so would tend to side with Guyenot on that issue, but one fact he seemed to overlook is the fact he pointed out that all the historical writings were done by Christian clergy. That in itself was a major achievement of Christianity since no one else could write. It is not just incidental.
Guyenot shows that history to be fabrication in his book Anno Domini. So I think that not being a fan of religion means you don't have his particular blind spot.
https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-ad
Lauder was also ambassador to Austria, chairman of the Museum of Modern Art, and involved in owning/dealing of some of the most expensive artworks ever, of Austrian masters Klimt & Schiele. Pair this info with the fact that the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council gave vulgar, psychotic creep Austrian “art group” Gelitin (formerly Gelatin) free rein to act like suspicion-bearing, criminal goons around floors 89-93 of the North Tower, then publishing an apparent, taunting War Crime “artwork” in Sept. of 2001 that obviously demonstrates at least foreknowledge of the War Crime, and even suggests possible participation in the mass murder: https://www.gelitin.net/projects/b-thing/
Opposition is true friendship
Freemasonry too!
Great podcast Kevin, both guests were great. Do you have any other podcasts of yours where you or a guest go into more detail about Messianism?
Check out my interviews with Barry Chamish https://www.unz.com/?s=Chamish&Action=Search&authors=kevin-barrett&ptype=all and Sheikh Imran Hosein https://www.unz.com/?s=Hosein&Action=Search&authors=kevin-barrett&ptype=all .
Also: https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/eschatological-war-another-debate-with-adam-green/
Thank you!
"So Christianity is an anti-Judaism, obviously."
I would rather follow Laurent quoting Adam Green that he sees "Christianity as being part of the problem and not the solution".
If you just consider the simple numerical mass of the Zionists today, the majority of them are Christians, this is a statistical fact. Don't you think the Evangelical Christians play a decisive role in the Zionist occupation of the American government and the blind support which is given to Israel?
On the Scriptures side, not only John 4.22 clearly says that "salvation is of the Jews", but the concept of "chosen people" is not rejected by Christianity and this concept is the essence of the globalist project, as it is that "holy supremacism" that gives the Jews the divine right to rule over humanity, the mere "goyim” that we all are.
Great interview Kevin! I really enjoy the combo of Laurent and Wyatt with your moderation. It feels like the JFK/911 torch is being passed on to the next generation, and these kinds of conversations help that. Please keep it up!