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Kevin, may I recommend an essay that is more than tangentially relevant to the questions presented herein?

Christianity and the Survival of Creation

~Wendell Berry

https://www.ecofaithrecovery.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BerryWendell_ChristianitySurvivalCreation.pdf

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"The Bible leaves no doubt at all about the sanctity of the act of world-making, or of the

world that was made, or of creaturely or bodily life in this world. We are holy creatures

living among other holy creatures in a world that is holy. Some people know this, and

some do not. Nobody, of course, knows it all the time. But what keeps it from being far

better known than it is? Why is it apparently unknown to millions of professed students

of the Bible? How can modem Christianity have so solemnly folded its hands while so

much of the work of God was and is being destroyed?

"The sense of the holiness of life" is not compatible with an exploitive economy. You

cannot know that life is holy if you are content to live from economic practices that daily destroy life and diminish its possibility. And many if not most Christian organizations

now appear to be perfectly at peace with the military-industrial economy and its

"scientific" destruction of life. Surely, if we are to remain free, and if we are to remain

true to our religious inheritances, we must maintain a separation between church and

state. But if we are to maintain any sense or coherence or meaning in our lives, we

cannot tolerate the present utter disconnection between religion and economy. By

"economy" I do not mean "economics," which is the study of money-making, but rather

the ways of human housekeeping, the ways by which the human household is situated

and maintained within the household of Nature. To be uninterested in economy is to be

uninterested in the practice of religion; it is to be uninterested in culture and in character.

Probably the most urgent question now faced by people who would adhere to the Bible is

this: What sort of economy would be responsible to the holiness of life? What, for

Christians, would be the economy, the practices and the restraints, of "right livelihood"? I

do not believe that organized Christianity now has any idea. I think its idea of a Christian

economy is no more or less than the industrial economy--which is an economy firmly

founded upon the seven deadly sins and the breaking of all ten of the Ten

Commandments. Obviously, if Christianity is going to survive as more than a respecter

and comforter of profitable iniquities, then Christians, regardless of their organizations,

are going to have to interest themselves in economy--which is to say, in nature and in

work. They are going to have to give workable answers to those who say we cannot live

without this economy that is destroying us and our world, who see the murder of

Creation as the only way of life."

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Mike Fish's avatar

In Madison, Wisconsin, there’s this organization, called the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

OUR adherents don’t physically and/or emotionally abuse people for questioning tenants.

Don’t demand subservient subjects, who must bend the knee to dogmatic demands.

If others want to comport their lives in conformity to what I consider to be fairytale books, that’s alright with me.

I just want those others to keep their faiths to themselves, and not impose it on me, or anybody else, for that matter.

The FFRF doesn’t enforce, or endorse, slavery, or sin, or murder of kin, or anyone else for that matter.

We don’t see women and children as property, or as exalted.

Don’t tell others what to do with their bodies, or their money.

Don’t declare war against infidels.

Don’t declare the existence of heavens or hells.

I guess that the key is in the foundation’s title.

The root word is free.

If there is any deity, it’s the empathy inside of me.

One ancient figure that makes sense to me, is old Socrates.

When I think about the foundations of Abrahamic religions, I think about trump.

Get the suckers to do all the work, and give the godhead the fruits of their labors, while he sits on his rump.

Not that there aren’t “fine people on both sides”.

I’ve seen great acts of kindness, that have brought tears to my eyes.

Also religious war making, which I really despise.

I don’t have any, or all of the, answers.

But, I’ve seen religions turn people into monsters.

Religion should be between others and their gawds.

It’s got nothing to do with others, who don’t share their beliefs.

I can’t speak about eternity.

I’ll find out when I’m dead.

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